1949年10月5日，新中国成立第五天，罗马尼亚与中国建交，成为新中国的第三个建交国。2003年“非典”疫情暴发，时任罗马尼亚总理阿德里安·讷斯塔塞选择在这一特殊时期访华，中国用“患难见真情”五字表达了两国间的深厚情谊。谈及那次访华，讷斯塔塞对刘欣表示，很多事情仍历历在目……
A friend in need is a friend indeed. In 2003, then Romanian PM Adrian Nastase visited China at the height of the SARS outbreak. How have China-Romania ties developed about 20 years on? And how has the geopolitical landscape changed?
Liu Xin: Let me first take us back in time a little bit and go back to that very special period of time in 2003 when China was experiencing the SARS epidemic. But people like you do not shun the country away, rather, you came and visited China during that difficult period of time. Help us understand what made you do that and what memories you can share with us now.
刘欣：首先让我们回忆2003年那段特殊时期，中国正在经历传染性非典型肺炎（SARS）疫情。您没有避开中国，反而选择了在这一艰难时刻访问中国。您为何要这样做？能和我们分享一些当时的情况吗？
Adrian Nastase: It was at a time, if we try to remember the very moment, it was after the change of leadership, political leadership in China. And it was, in a way, a test if the new leadership could resist economically and politically to a kind of embargo. Because at that moment, because of SARS, China was under huge pressure. I knew that it was a very important moment for the Chinese new leadership. And that's why I wanted to break that embargo.
阿德里安·讷斯塔塞：当时中国刚选举产生了新一届中央领导班子，在某种程度上，这是在考验新一届中央领导班子能否经受住国际上的封锁。在那个时候，中国因为非典疫情面临巨大的压力。我知道对中国领导人来说，这个时机很重要，我的访问是为了打破这种隔绝状态。
Liu Xin: China as a socialist country with Chinese characteristics, is also painted as a growing threat, right? And China becoming stronger, of course has more of its interests to protect and promote in the world. And in that process, there are misunderstandings, there are misperceptions. So where to go next?
刘欣：中国作为一个具有中国特色的社会主义国家，有时被刻画成一个“日益增长的威胁”。随着中国越发强大，在世界范围内，中国当然有了更多自身利益需要维护。在这个过程里存在着误会和曲解，下一步中国该怎么走？
Adrian Nastase: Now, China has an important role, not only as a member of the Security Council, but as real great power. I have seen a very interesting document that was produced by the Foreign Ministry of China. A reality check, it was a long document about some of the accusations made in the United States about the developments in China.
阿德里安·讷斯塔塞：中国在当下发挥着重要作用，中国不仅是联合国安理会成员，更是一个真正的大国。我看过一份中国外交部发布的报告 （报告名称《美国对华认知中的谬误和事实真相》），很有意思。这是一份很长的事实清单，梳理了美国对中国发展的无端指责。
And the idea, in my opinion, is correct. It's that every country needs to be taken with its own history, its own values, its own problems, its own territory, its own population, and issues of various kinds. You cannot impose from the outside your own values on another country. And I think it was an interesting document.
我赞同这种观点，也就是看待任何一个国家都要考虑其特有的历史、价值观、领土、人口等，每个国家面临的问题不同，不能从外部把自己的价值观强加在另一个国家身上，我觉得这个报告很有意思。
China is changing a lot and has an important say in the world of today. I visited also Shanghai several times. It's a huge change since I visited before, the city, also Beijing, so, I think the more people see, understand the changes, the standards of living, the policy of the leadership. They will change their perception which has been introduced in a kind of manipulation of course, due to the news organization of the world and the kind of interests of the big powers in the media, in the social media. So, I think it is important to fuel that perception with as much information as possible about China.
中国变了很多，在当今世界，中国声音举足轻重。我访问过上海几次，上海的变化太大了，北京也是。当更多人来到中国，看到中国人生活质量提高，看到中国领导人的政策，他们会改变对中国的看法。过去，世界上的新闻机构受某些大国利益的影响，在媒体、社交媒体上控制着人们对中国的看法。我觉得世界需要更多有关中国的信息，破除对中国的偏见。
Liu Xin: This year, the Communist Party of China will convene the 20th National Congress in Beijing. What are your expectations? What will you be paying attention to?
刘欣：2022年，中国共产党将在北京召开第二十次全国代表大会，对此您有什么期待？您会关注哪些方面？
Adrian Nastase: I know that the Congress of the Communist Party is an excellent opportunity for an in-depth analysis of internal policies, but also, international affairs. I am sure that a lot of new ideas and new measures will be taken with a view of preparing for 2050 as a target.
阿德里安·讷斯塔塞：我觉得中共二十大提供了一次极好的机会，去深入分析中国国内政策和国际形势。我确信为了实现本世纪中叶（全面建成社会主义现代化强国）的目标，中国会提出很多新想法，采取很多新举措。
